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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.palatinate.org.uk/indigo/features/security-concerns-stifle-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-57535</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Students OVERWHELMINGLY supported free speech in this case. I&#039;m afraid you&#039;re in the minority.

With recent events in mind, I&#039;m more worried about the NUS and UAF.

[Obligatory sentence explaining how I don&#039;t actually support the BNP, but support their right to speak if they wish to.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Students OVERWHELMINGLY supported free speech in this case. I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;re in the minority.</p>
<p>With recent events in mind, I&#8217;m more worried about the NUS and UAF.</p>
<p>[Obligatory sentence explaining how I don't actually support the BNP, but support their right to speak if they wish to.]</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
		<link>http://www.palatinate.org.uk/indigo/features/security-concerns-stifle-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-56674</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I am not even a member of UAF. I don&#039;t see how raising the issue of the BNP using this material for their own ends (and the original picture making this easier for them -- which was recognised and changed independently of whether the Palatinate people agreed with my take on the subject at hand) is spinning. The BNP did do this, so I evidently wasn&#039;t making it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I am not even a member of UAF. I don&#8217;t see how raising the issue of the BNP using this material for their own ends (and the original picture making this easier for them &#8212; which was recognised and changed independently of whether the Palatinate people agreed with my take on the subject at hand) is spinning. The BNP did do this, so I evidently wasn&#8217;t making it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Battersby</title>
		<link>http://www.palatinate.org.uk/indigo/features/security-concerns-stifle-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-56673</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Battersby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the worst outcome of this debate is possibly that some on either side have forgotten the common ground shared by free speechers, no platformers and UAF/NUS haters. 

The sides should be united by their hatred of the BNP, and their desire to adopt tactics to confront them. Whether that&#039;s an intellectual debate in the Durham Union Society or the UAF protesting on the street, they both despise the BNP. 

BNP members and supporter must remember this: the students and activists involved in this debate were trying to work out the best way to fight against you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the worst outcome of this debate is possibly that some on either side have forgotten the common ground shared by free speechers, no platformers and UAF/NUS haters. </p>
<p>The sides should be united by their hatred of the BNP, and their desire to adopt tactics to confront them. Whether that&#8217;s an intellectual debate in the Durham Union Society or the UAF protesting on the street, they both despise the BNP. </p>
<p>BNP members and supporter must remember this: the students and activists involved in this debate were trying to work out the best way to fight against you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.palatinate.org.uk/indigo/features/security-concerns-stifle-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-56668</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I do not intend to answer questions or respond to comments...&quot;

That&#039;s the UAF for you. Try phoning them and asking a tricky question, they put the phone down. Laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do not intend to answer questions or respond to comments&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the UAF for you. Try phoning them and asking a tricky question, they put the phone down. Laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom Addinall-Biddulph</title>
		<link>http://www.palatinate.org.uk/indigo/features/security-concerns-stifle-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-56637</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom Addinall-Biddulph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realise, of course, that you won&#039;t respond to this, but saying &quot;I do not intend to answer questions or respond to comments on this website&quot; makes it sound rather as if you don&#039;t wish to publicly debate your many, very arguable points. Why did you post this if you&#039;ve no intention of responding to anyone who replies to you? Even were I a UAF member, I&#039;d find this comment rather strange; it implies you&#039;re not willing to have an open discussion, thus rather underlining the allegations Durham students have made against your organisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realise, of course, that you won&#8217;t respond to this, but saying &#8220;I do not intend to answer questions or respond to comments on this website&#8221; makes it sound rather as if you don&#8217;t wish to publicly debate your many, very arguable points. Why did you post this if you&#8217;ve no intention of responding to anyone who replies to you? Even were I a UAF member, I&#8217;d find this comment rather strange; it implies you&#8217;re not willing to have an open discussion, thus rather underlining the allegations Durham students have made against your organisation.</p>
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		<title>By: UAF member</title>
		<link>http://www.palatinate.org.uk/indigo/features/security-concerns-stifle-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-56635</link>
		<dc:creator>UAF member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a member of UAF and as a person involved in the activities reported I can say that there are several errors and assumptions made within this article.

We were explicity aware that DSU and DUS were different groups; we explained this to students as we petitioned.

I was with the person who called DSU officers when she made the phone calls (Laurie Drake actually called her over an unrelated issue, not the other way around as reported) and she only pointed out the obvious based on experience, she at no point made any threats of violence or implied that UAF would incite or behave violently. I find it entirely laughable that anyone would find the person in question (who was not the regional organiser of UAF as reported) intimidating and suggest that anyone who claims to have been intimidated was posturing.

UAF had no choice but to arrange a protest (to do nothing would be to accept and comply with Nazis), the EDL would have attended (they generally do) and behaved aggressively (they always do) and then there would probably have been a violent confrontation, one which would be on the hands of people in possitions of authority whom could have avoided it. I would also point out that the vast majority of people at an anti-BNP protest would have been members of the public, unaffiliated with UAF whom UAF would not have been responsible for - who can say how they would react the presence of Fascist dressing themselves up as reasonable and presentable members of society.

The Management of Durham University absolutely did the right thing by calling off the debate, as did NUS by opposing it and applying pressure to call it off.

The &#039;no platform for the BNP&#039; policy is not the same as a &#039;no freedom of speech for the BNP&#039; policy. How do you expect to combat BNP rhetoric by helping them air it on a platform? Placing Nazis on a platform of any kind helps them communicate their racist, homophobic views. Why not invite anyone else to speak on multiculturism? Why Nazis?

I hope Durham University students that organized and attended the freedom of speech protest understand that the protest was attended by members of the BNP (in disguise presumably) and has been used as Nazi propoganda on their website - please see for yourselves - these people are now actively helping the Nazis gain support. I praise the students of Durham University involved for their anti-Nazi stance but I seriously suggest they re-examine thier tactics because thier current tactics have the opposite effect of that intended. UAF uses the tactics it does because they work, I invite any anti-Nazi to work with us.

I also hope they noted that UAF had no pressence there - we do not appose freedom of speech, we oppose Fascists.

To the editor of Palatinate - feel free to get in touch, you have my email address as given to submit this message.

I do not intend to answer questions or respond to comments on this website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of UAF and as a person involved in the activities reported I can say that there are several errors and assumptions made within this article.</p>
<p>We were explicity aware that DSU and DUS were different groups; we explained this to students as we petitioned.</p>
<p>I was with the person who called DSU officers when she made the phone calls (Laurie Drake actually called her over an unrelated issue, not the other way around as reported) and she only pointed out the obvious based on experience, she at no point made any threats of violence or implied that UAF would incite or behave violently. I find it entirely laughable that anyone would find the person in question (who was not the regional organiser of UAF as reported) intimidating and suggest that anyone who claims to have been intimidated was posturing.</p>
<p>UAF had no choice but to arrange a protest (to do nothing would be to accept and comply with Nazis), the EDL would have attended (they generally do) and behaved aggressively (they always do) and then there would probably have been a violent confrontation, one which would be on the hands of people in possitions of authority whom could have avoided it. I would also point out that the vast majority of people at an anti-BNP protest would have been members of the public, unaffiliated with UAF whom UAF would not have been responsible for &#8211; who can say how they would react the presence of Fascist dressing themselves up as reasonable and presentable members of society.</p>
<p>The Management of Durham University absolutely did the right thing by calling off the debate, as did NUS by opposing it and applying pressure to call it off.</p>
<p>The &#8216;no platform for the BNP&#8217; policy is not the same as a &#8216;no freedom of speech for the BNP&#8217; policy. How do you expect to combat BNP rhetoric by helping them air it on a platform? Placing Nazis on a platform of any kind helps them communicate their racist, homophobic views. Why not invite anyone else to speak on multiculturism? Why Nazis?</p>
<p>I hope Durham University students that organized and attended the freedom of speech protest understand that the protest was attended by members of the BNP (in disguise presumably) and has been used as Nazi propoganda on their website &#8211; please see for yourselves &#8211; these people are now actively helping the Nazis gain support. I praise the students of Durham University involved for their anti-Nazi stance but I seriously suggest they re-examine thier tactics because thier current tactics have the opposite effect of that intended. UAF uses the tactics it does because they work, I invite any anti-Nazi to work with us.</p>
<p>I also hope they noted that UAF had no pressence there &#8211; we do not appose freedom of speech, we oppose Fascists.</p>
<p>To the editor of Palatinate &#8211; feel free to get in touch, you have my email address as given to submit this message.</p>
<p>I do not intend to answer questions or respond to comments on this website.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.palatinate.org.uk/indigo/features/security-concerns-stifle-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-56591</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it was only a matter of time before the BNP on here Arthur999 lowered themselves to personal attacks.  Also, Arthur check out the bivalent conditional: very useful piece of logic; you&#039;ve evidently never heard of it.  It would help you to disabuse yourself of some of your daft ideas.

And what was this about the BNP not using bullying tactics?  Ironic really.  But you&#039;re an organised lot, I&#039;ll give you that much.  You&#039;re certainly making the most of the platform handed to you by the FoS brigade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it was only a matter of time before the BNP on here Arthur999 lowered themselves to personal attacks.  Also, Arthur check out the bivalent conditional: very useful piece of logic; you&#8217;ve evidently never heard of it.  It would help you to disabuse yourself of some of your daft ideas.</p>
<p>And what was this about the BNP not using bullying tactics?  Ironic really.  But you&#8217;re an organised lot, I&#8217;ll give you that much.  You&#8217;re certainly making the most of the platform handed to you by the FoS brigade.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.palatinate.org.uk/indigo/features/security-concerns-stifle-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-56587</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Louisa says:
February 10, 2010 at 12:40 pm

I completely agree with Vicky&quot;

Start of a wonderful relationship...? Placards against free speech at the ready gurls!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Louisa says:<br />
February 10, 2010 at 12:40 pm</p>
<p>I completely agree with Vicky&#8221;</p>
<p>Start of a wonderful relationship&#8230;? Placards against free speech at the ready gurls!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.palatinate.org.uk/indigo/features/security-concerns-stifle-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-56586</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vicky love, you are doing a lot of &#039;spinning&#039; yourself, you aren&#039;t the publicity officer for the UAF are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vicky love, you are doing a lot of &#8217;spinning&#8217; yourself, you aren&#8217;t the publicity officer for the UAF are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
		<link>http://www.palatinate.org.uk/indigo/features/security-concerns-stifle-free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-56575</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if by magic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if by magic&#8230;</p>
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